Their Method of doing Windmill

Jando · 08-18-2010, 03:39 AM

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Guide created by me, Jando/Satsumori of the Mari Server
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Version 2 - Added alot of stuff (29/9)

Their Method of doing Windmill

Contents
1. Introduction.
2. Summary of Their Method.
3. Information on Soldier Zombies and Windmill.
4. Advanced Techniques.
4.1 Smart Windmill
4.2 Herding
4.3 HPW + WPZ
4.4 Solutions to Dying
5. Rewards
5.1 Exp
5.2 Gold and items
6. Recommended Equips and Skills
7. MPS [Minutes Per Shadow Mission.]
8. Other uses of Their Method.
9. Afterthoughts.
10. Credits
11. Coming Soon

1. Introduction

Welcome fellow Mabinogians. Ever imagined a place where windmill would absolutely own and not get you killed or waste thousands upon thousands of pots from spamming it? A place that is so great that it rewards you both physically and financially? A place where you don't have to press that darn H key to pot? A place to abuse low crit? Well that place is:

Their Method

2. Summary of Their Method

If you don't know what Their Method is then don't be shocked, surprised or frightened since with your pal Windmill you can turn this Shadow Mission into a gold mind of money and exp. Their method is a Taraian Shadow Mission which already sounds good since the Quest board and the alter are like 10 seconds away from each other. No wasting pet times to get those missions.

Their Method is comprised of 36 Soldier Zombies, which depending on your chosen difficulty have different stats and give out different items/gold. There are 8 groups of 4 and 1 group of 12 Soldier zombies, the group of 12 serve as the boss. Female Soldier zombies give out a tad more exp then the male counterparts.

The objective for Their Method is to eliminate all Zombies in the city, you have to first kill the 8 groups scattered in a somewhat linear pattern in Tara.

The Zombies spawn randomly in 8 of those blue dots. The best way to go about this is follow the main path down to the Town Square while holding down the alt key to see if any of the zombies have spawned elsewhere.

3. Information on Soldier Zombies and Windmill

The best way to kill them of course is with windmill. Since zombies walk slow and only ever use counterattack, super resistance to magic and archery and have super high protection rates they are pretty much tank to anything other than windmill. They also sport r2 Heavy Stander have 31 defence. Windmill is and will be your best skill for this Shadow Mission and is absolutely required to do this mission. You may think 'but windmill is gay' and etc but don't understand the true mechanics of how it works with Zombies. For those who have trained at TNN for windmill will already know.

Not only is Windmill a beast of a mob skill but it also ignores protection, now these Soldier Zombies protection rates range from 40% - 59% which means that to crit them normally you would need over 81% - 119% to have a 1% crit chance against them. Which sucks balls, amirite? But thanks to the awesomeness of windmill you don't have to worry about extremely high crit rates since all you need is 30% critical hit and hey pesto you will be hitting the Crit cap and owning those zombies.

So now you know the gist of this awesome Shadow Mission, go in with 10 stacks of 30 stam pots and spam spam spam Windmill. You may also find this, after doing it 2 times, boring as hell, since its solo and it’s so linear. It’s just spamming windmill, what’s the fun in that? Nothing. So to cure that boredom I recommend watching Youtube, Anime, TV shows, something else that you can to do but still keep a 20% concentration on mab. 10% for looking at your stam bar and 10% for looking where you’re going (This includes finding the zombies and not getting to close to them when wming that they kill you).

4. Advanced Techniques

4.1 Smart Windmill

Now for some advance techniques for this Shadow Mission. The main one is pretty obvious and its called Smart Windmill. With Smart Windmill all you have to do is group your zombie companions together so you don’t waste crits and pots and also make the SM go faster. To do this just group them up nicely and start wming them towards the next mob of Zombies. So this way you can include other zombies in your attack making you have to use less windmills and get to use crits more effectively.

4.2 Herding

The next advance technique if for the boss room, which has 12 soldier zombies. This technique is called Herding. Now instead of just spamming windmill and trying to kill all of them its best to group the whole bunch up which is done by walking/running around in circles and grouping them up hence the name of the technique, herding. This way you can utilize your windmill's infinite mob limit, its -ignores all protection- and get to abuse crit 12 times in 1 attack. Keep doing this till all are dead.

4.3 HPW + HPZ

There are 2 terms that I would you to be familiar with. HPW (hits per windmill) and HPCW (hits per critical windmill), which is basically how many targets you hit with each windmill. The higher your HPW the better, as it will make your experience with Their Method faster and more efficient. a 3-4 HPW is what you want to aim for with dealing with the 8 groups of 4 and anything over a 6-7 is great when dealing with the boss.
Ok I lied, there is another term I would like you to familiarise with, and that is WPZ (Windmill’s per zombie) which is basically how many windmills it takes you to kill 1 zombie. I would try to aim for a 3-4 non crit and a 1-2 with one crit. Combining a high amount of HPW and a low amount of WPZ is the key to successfully doing Their Method properly.

4.4 The Double Tap

Hoping I don’t get sued for stealing a line from the awesome movie ‘ZombieLand’ the same principles apply to Their Method. Basically what you want to do is always double check if the zombie/zombie group is dead and always double checking if you have enough stamina for the next group/zombie. You can get owned quite badly when you have to walk all the way back when you get to the boss room (Town Square) and the boss hasn’t showed up or walk into a group of zombies with 0 stam and getting lolpwned.

4.5 Solutions to dying

Now as Their Method is a Shadow Mission there is no statue to rez from and due to it being timed relying on friends with adv feathers can make your exp/money gain ineffective. So there are 3 solutions.
Solution 1: Don't die
Solution 2: Nao stones
Solution 3: Pet rez kits

Solution 1
Its pretty obvious and its fairly easy to do since there zombies. But sometimes you get those situations where you don't pay attention and just get lolpwned by them. Effective if you’re paying 100% attention.

Solution 2
Nao stones cure any problem when you’re not in another world but require nx which requires real money which, well you worked hard for to get (or your parents worked hard for). There great for fast and effectiveness since you don't heve to bless anything and allows for little exp loss. If you love your nx and have a bottom-less pit of it then these are a great solution to your dying problem...but if you’re using more than 1 during a single Their Methods then I think it’s time to rethink how you go about this mission.

Solution 3
Pet rez kits are probably the best way to negate dying in this mission. The downside? Well you lose your pet summoned time which isn't as bad as solutions 1 and 2. This basically requires you to put how many pet rez kits it can fit in its inventory, summon it at the start of the mission, tell it to stay and do the mission. Then whenever if you die, you simply pop the rez sign up and stay revive! Your pet will spawn next to you and revive you. (You may have to say the revive! command again to get it to use the action.

5. Rewards

Thats all for advance techniques, now lets move on to how this mission is physically and financially healthy. Physically referring to exp gained and financially referring to gold gained.

5.1 Exp

14000 EXP, 2500g (Beginner)
25199 EXP, 3499g (Intermediate)
42000 EXP, 5000g (Advanced)
70000 EXP, 7500g (Hard)

Listed above is the reward for a standard SM of Their Method, now lets add in the exp from zombies.

20000 EXP (Beginner)
37199 EXP (Intermediate)
63000 EXP (Advanced)
111400 EXP (Hard)

Thats the rate without premium services and that 10% exp boost, nor has the battle participation been included. As you can tell it is a very exp rewarding mission for only around 15 minutes work (average). Using x2 exp pots is very rewarding in this SM.

5.2 Gold and items

Now for the financially gain from this mission, although the reward gives little gold zombies do have an awesome gold drop rate ranging from 0 - 1.7k depending on what difficulty your doing. Now that maybe nice getting maybe 2 - 10k more gold per mission but isn't the why this mission is so darn good. It's the chest rewards! Just look at the table below

LOOK AT THE MASSIVE LIST OF ENCHANTS!!!!!!!! FUGDE YES! Burgundy Bear is probably the most reward both to your stats and whenever you sell it. In Mari server I’ve obtained 3 of them and have sold one of them at 1.2m which I enchanted to a 2handed sword with 100 prof and also had a raven enchant and sold 2 others, one enchanted to a bastard sword sold by Edern’s special store and another enchanted on a mace. I’ve gotten 2 2cm diamonds from advanced Their method which I have fed to my ego and gotten a nice boost. Giant ES are probably the most beneficially to helping you with becoming stronger for this mission when you are enchantless. I’m running a enchantless set so Giant ES is a nice boost. So far I’ve gotten 5 of them which I’ve put onto my hat, clothes, 1 of my broadswords and both of my gladius.

6. Recommended Equips and Skills

Their Method relies on a high ranked wm. The higher difficulty the SM the stronger your WM needs to be, r1 wm however is recommended no matter what. WM at r1 gives you the range and 250% which makes r1 wm a necessity. Rank 1 Critical hit and Rank 1 Combat Mastery also improves damage output, r1 combat mastery also gives +15 balance increase which helps a lot when using 222 broadswords. Other skills that give str such as Final Hit and Carpentry are recommend to have as more str = more damage = less wm’s to kill zombies = clearing Their Method faster = More efficient exp/gold per minute.

Dual wielding is the recommend choice for this SM due to its higher damage output then 2handed swords. The extra stun time from 2handed swords is really ineffective against the slow moving zombies of Their Method. The only way a 2handed sword beats dual wielding is when you’re using a 2handed ego and overpowers a dual wield set.

As for Dual wields there are 2 options, 230 Gladius for low/no dex uses and 222 broadswords for high/200+ dex. As for personal reference I have and used both and when you reach 80% balance 222 broadsword become superior. The broadswords changed my 4hko zombie kills to a 3hko zombie kill not including critical hits.

So overview: Use Gladius’ till broadswords improve WPZ.

Now due to Their Method being awesome because of Zombies being so slow and you always using windmill, getting hit is like a 20% chance and if you do you will most likely be dead, cause like your deadly and whatnot. This makes expensive armours such as Dunstin and Valencia’s pointless unless you have enchants such as imp and defensive then use them to your advantage to kill those zombies faster. Apart from that you can wear what you like but you do want to aim for +damage dealing enchants such as raven on shoes and etc. I personal use a Giant set as I get the enchant scroll from their method and not bothering with epic increase in damage enchants till I hit 1000 total and start doing Their Method on Hard.

Transformation is also important in this mission. Being able to 1hko zombies with crits when trans’d is vital to turn Their Method from 10 – 15 minutes into 5 – 10 minutes. And as a reference a strong trans boosted by my skills of r1 wm, r1 crit and r1 cm I could effective 1hko them with crits when using gladius on str rolls (I’m a dark knight), but with broads I am able to 75% of time ohko them with crits on 100% rolls and 100% 2hko them on 60% str rolls which doesn’t change my 2hko untrans’d with crits.

7. MPS [Minutes Per Shadow Mission]

What makes Their Method really effective is how short it can take, rivalling defeat the shadow warrior it can provide a valiant source of exp, gold and downright awesomeness. No matter what difficulty you should try and clear a single Their Method in 10 – 15 minutes. My personal best on advance is 8 minutes when I used a trans and got a lot of crits along my way to the boss (ohko crits make Their Method go really fast)

8. Other uses for Their Method

Unknown to most but Their Method has plenty of other uses for people who are doing range, alchemy and magic, which as most of you know Zombies are immune to due to their PD’s. However due to their being 4 levels of difficulties and soon to be 5 (Elite coming out with g13) you have access to a smorgos board of CP levels. I personally have trained Magnum, Range and Arrow revolver on them by creating a party and setting the kill setting to ‘Anyone in party’ allowing me to kill them with WM with ease and finishing them off with my skill choice. This has made getting awful and boss kills much easier. Sadly getting crits it’s close to impossible without the absurd amount of critical needing to actually land one when not using WM and other skills that ignore protection rate.

9. Afterthoughts

Whenever I found about Their Method it has been a personal favourite shadow mission ever since, out classing Defeat the Shadow Warrior easily since I did spend so long at TNN ranking WM (Over 10,000 zombies from r4 – r1 WM). Although shadow warrior does give out defensive cylinders Their method does give out better gold in general (Drops from zombies and reward at the end), exp at the end and total exp. Don’t forget how close the Tara Shadow Mission board is to the Alter (I don’t even have to move to access it when I exit the Shadow World.

Ever since I came back to Mabinogi when I was Total level 233 I have spammed Their Method ever since, I do around 40 of them a week to get like (70k from each Their method since I use premium services) is 2.8m exp in total which gets me to level 49 with like 2 more to get to level 50. With each taking on average 15min each and doing around 4 of them an hour it takes me like (42/4) 10.5 hours. Divide that by 7 and that’s 1.5 hours of mab ‘grinding’ a day which is respectfully 6 Their Methods a day. Not bad right?

10. Credits

Special thanks to:
- Mabinogi Wiki: For the data on the zombies, critical hit, windmill and the rewards from their method
- Nexon: For releasing such a wonderful Shadow Mission
- You guys: For taking the time read this wordy guide

11. Coming Soon

- 10 minute v-guide with commentary by me.
- Banners
- Total Edit to look eye catching beautiful/Less wall of text like

FootBallHead · 08-18-2010, 04:32 AM

I have been spamming this mission ever since G10 came out and I have never seen a diamond...can anyone ferify?

Chinaboy475 · 08-18-2010, 09:18 AM

sounds like a great guide but... im not a wmer D: I'm an archer oh well +1 rep

Adrianblade · 08-20-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FootBallHead

I have been spamming this mission ever since G10 came out and I have never seen a diamond...can anyone ferify?

I've gotten one so far with the basic Their method but after l've asked around a bit it seems the drop on it is LOW. Out of everyone l know only 2 people ever even got a diamond from doing it and some of them do spam Their Method like you.

**SotiCoto** · 08-20-2010, 11:07 AM

... I'm not sure how this really qualifies as a guide.

What you're basically saying is:

#1. Do "Their Method" Shadow Mission.
#2. Windmill everything.
#3. ????
#4. Profit.

So how exactly is this better than, say, spamming the Shadow Warrior SM in Taillteann? That one goes faster (one combo per enemy, rather than several windmills, assuming you even have R1)... and likewise has some rather nice potential loot at the end (Color cylinders / gloves are always useful as the only readily available RA Suffix for all gear... not to mention Defensive cylinders which sell hella high for Heavy Armour purposes)... plus o'course the loot dropped by the SW mission enemies makes for nice ego food or equips for secondary characters.

Not that I'm trying to jip your efforts or anything.
Just asking if I've somehow missed anything about "Their Method" that makes it especially awesome? And I'd say I could probably do it as fast as anyone really, toting R1 Windmill, Crit and CM...
I'm gonna spam it soon, but that is because I need Burgundy Bear Enchants for my armour, rather than for cash.

Jando · 08-21-2010, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SotiCoto

... I'm not sure how this really qualifies as a guide.

What you're basically saying is:

#1. Do "Their Method" Shadow Mission.
#2. Windmill everything.
#3. ????
#4. Profit.

So how exactly is this better than, say, spamming the Shadow Warrior SM in Taillteann? That one goes faster (one combo per enemy, rather than several windmills, assuming you even have R1)... and likewise has some rather nice potential loot at the end (Color cylinders / gloves are always useful as the only readily available RA Suffix for all gear... not to mention Defensive cylinders which sell hella high for Heavy Armour purposes)... plus o'course the loot dropped by the SW mission enemies makes for nice ego food or equips for secondary characters.

Not that I'm trying to jip your efforts or anything.
Just asking if I've somehow missed anything about "Their Method" that makes it especially awesome? And I'd say I could probably do it as fast as anyone really, toting R1 Windmill, Crit and CM...
I'm gonna spam it soon, but that is because I need Burgundy Bear Enchants for my armour, rather than for cash.

First up thanks for your post.

Their method is a great alternate to Shad War, I've recently changed from Shad War spamming to Their Method Spamming.

Their Method is great to train wm aswell. 1) You dont have to go to TNN 2) Groups of 4 zombies meaning multi hits and kills are basically easy sauce and 3) You have multiple levels. If your cp is low enough you basically have Basic = Strong , Int = Awful and Adv = Boss which covers everything for WM.

I also find Their Method financially better then Shad War due to getting on average 10k per run (5k from reward and 5k from gold drops from the zombies). I do around 30 Their Methods a week to get to level 45. 30 x 10 = 300. 300k a week from leveling up. I find that a good bonus.

Shad War is still good with its defensive Cylinders but then you have the whole having to run all the way back to Tail to get another mission, which can hurt trans time if its close to 6am and your in Tail still getting the mission.

Their Method also has the disadvantage of only being accessible to WMers, Shad War doesn't. I do Their Method since I'm a WMaholic. Instead of smash, I wm, instead of counter, I wm, instead of defense, I wm. Their Method suits my playstyle more then Shad War does. Probably due to the 3 weeks I spent at TNN getting r1 wm...

You also have exp. On Adv, Shad war gives around 40 - 50k exp (including monster exp), Their Method gives 60 - 70k exp (including monster exp). Shad war takes around 7 - 12mins for me, depending on orb location and shenanigans, then another 1-2mins to get another mission, making the total time 9-14mins. Their Method takes around 10 - 15mins for me on adv and takes 30 seconds to get the mission.

This is just me though.

jking012 · 08-31-2010, 02:09 AM

well their method is probably best for wm'ers for humans... elves.... are fked.. lower str (but still viable) and not to mention no dual wield... (drastically reduces wm power) as for giants... (as I'm a Full Swing giant, naturally their method is okay.... and I can prob run through 1/2 of it easy with trans but... I find the exp bad... the zombies prot is just tooo much....) So i naturally run shadow cast city on hard solo and net about 200-220k exp per run in about err... depending with lucky crits.. and such prob on avg about 18 mins but usually ranging from 15-20 mins. the boss is extremely easy... if you've gotten the horn (when using this tactic... it only works so well if you run on hard otherwise the horn kills the dopple to more then less then 50% and you still have to kill it and don't yield the 28 or 32k exp for killing it) some rewards can be nice...but lately last 20 runs i've gotten all crystals ....mostly ice spear rank 4 ,5 charge ones their lame :/ but... still exp is great... gold is great as i net around 30k gold from drops... and if you kill a dopple and it drops gold its always 25k (equal to a max huge lucky) - I've only ever gotten 3.0 cm diamond once out of around 100+ runs... and it was with a party at that time :/ but still good exp and I ran that to hit current 80 for the achieve... with 2x exp pot and a 10% exp from prem you can prob net around 450k-500k exp in 15-20 mins

(I'm lazy though and only run it every 32-64 mins real time :/ :P - trans will prob be needed.

** Their method is good for spam fest ** You just use the money gotten from their method for stamina pots... yeah... LOTS specially if your wm dmg is low and you have low max stam and your on hard... I think its near 45% prot? or something like that its high... anyways i'm done

EDIT: I mean't to say for the dopple tactic... you run in Smash... Run away backwards till ur dopple stops chasing you and then heads back to middle ->use horn (making sure to kill all your copies)-> smash mill (mill stops it from attacking) .... *** smash will NOT* work right off the bat (the ai will spawn dopples regardless)

Jando · 09-01-2010, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jking012

well their method is probably best for wm'ers for humans... elves.... are fked.. lower str (but still viable) and not to mention no dual wield... (drastically reduces wm power) as for giants... (as I'm a Full Swing giant, naturally their method is okay.... and I can prob run through 1/2 of it easy with trans but... I find the exp bad... the zombies prot is just tooo much....) So i naturally run shadow cast city on hard solo and net about 200-220k exp per run in about err... depending with lucky crits.. and such prob on avg about 18 mins but usually ranging from 15-20 mins. the boss is extremely easy... if you've gotten the horn (when using this tactic... it only works so well if you run on hard otherwise the horn kills the dopple to more then less then 50% and you still have to kill it and don't yield the 28 or 32k exp for killing it) some rewards can be nice...but lately last 20 runs i've gotten all crystals ....mostly ice spear rank 4 ,5 charge ones their lame :/ but... still exp is great... gold is great as i net around 30k gold from drops... and if you kill a dopple and it drops gold its always 25k (equal to a max huge lucky) - I've only ever gotten 3.0 cm diamond once out of around 100+ runs... and it was with a party at that time :/ but still good exp and I ran that to hit current 80 for the achieve... with 2x exp pot and a 10% exp from prem you can prob net around 450k-500k exp in 15-20 mins

(I'm lazy though and only run it every 32-64 mins real time :/ :P - trans will prob be needed.

** Their method is good for spam fest ** You just use the money gotten from their method for stamina pots... yeah... LOTS specially if your wm dmg is low and you have low max stam and your on hard... I think its near 45% prot? or something like that its high... anyways i'm done

EDIT: I mean't to say for the dopple tactic... you run in Smash... Run away backwards till ur dopple stops chasing you and then heads back to middle ->use horn (making sure to kill all your copies)-> smash mill (mill stops it from attacking) .... *** smash will NOT* work right off the bat (the ai will spawn dopples regardless)

Their Method is highly recommended for those who are pure melee and pure melee's starting to get into magic or archery. With r1 CM and WM you can pop some caps in these zombies behind with the WM of ignoring protection.

I have a video in production thats like 15mins doing a tutorial of this. Better go finish it and let people know some more about their method.

AceWiz · 09-01-2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jking012

well their method is probably best for wm'ers for humans... elves.... are fked.. lower str (but still viable) and not to mention no dual wield... (drastically reduces wm power) as for giants... (as I'm a Full Swing giant, naturally their method is okay.... and I can prob run through 1/2 of it easy with trans but... I find the exp bad... the zombies prot is just tooo much....) So i naturally run shadow cast city on hard solo and net about 200-220k exp per run in about err... depending with lucky crits.. and such prob on avg about 18 mins but usually ranging from 15-20 mins. the boss is extremely easy... if you've gotten the horn (when using this tactic... it only works so well if you run on hard otherwise the horn kills the dopple to more then less then 50% and you still have to kill it and don't yield the 28 or 32k exp for killing it) some rewards can be nice...but lately last 20 runs i've gotten all crystals ....mostly ice spear rank 4 ,5 charge ones their lame :/ but... still exp is great... gold is great as i net around 30k gold from drops... and if you kill a dopple and it drops gold its always 25k (equal to a max huge lucky) - I've only ever gotten 3.0 cm diamond once out of around 100+ runs... and it was with a party at that time :/ but still good exp and I ran that to hit current 80 for the achieve... with 2x exp pot and a 10% exp from prem you can prob net around 450k-500k exp in 15-20 mins

(I'm lazy though and only run it every 32-64 mins real time :/ :P - trans will prob be needed.

** Their method is good for spam fest ** You just use the money gotten from their method for stamina pots... yeah... LOTS specially if your wm dmg is low and you have low max stam and your on hard... I think its near 45% prot? or something like that its high... anyways i'm done

EDIT: I mean't to say for the dopple tactic... you run in Smash... Run away backwards till ur dopple stops chasing you and then heads back to middle ->use horn (making sure to kill all your copies)-> smash mill (mill stops it from attacking) .... *** smash will NOT* work right off the bat (the ai will spawn dopples regardless)

How are Elves f**ked?

I'm an elf doing this just fine.