[Hark]

I was wondering how people felt about pulling numerical content (ie, AP tables, etc) from other wikis. The stuff I want to steal are mostly the AP tables for all the skills (Fishing already has such an AP table there, most of the skill articles don't), and probably some other stuff.

Note that such pages will be flagged with the Template:Unverified header; though I really don't think they're going to tinker with those values too much.

What do you guys think? Yay or nay? (also I should really be writing a paper instead of wanking around on the wiki >_>)

[kitaek27]

Heres how it works.
You give credit if it is a guide.
If it is for a wiki, then you REWORD and REFORMAT it so its technically written in your own standpoint.

This way, its as if you're doing a research paper. No one will get angry at you for taking information out of another guide if you rewrite it and use them as a reference.

[Hark]

Well, I'm just stealing the numbers, not the layout or textual content; my concern was more for the whole "omg the skills numbars might change in the NA version!" potential argument.

Also, I'm an engineering student. We don't write research papers xD

[kitaek27]

Originally Posted by Hark

"omg the skills numbars might change in the NA version!"

We don't need crap like that. I say the entire argument is not legitimate. The staff of the game took hours and hours trying to balance the game. Besides, why would they change it in NA when its the same in all the other servers?

From the information I recieved, the game starts out with the exact same "balance patch" that KR server recieved during G7. We'll be in PRE-G1.

The numerical stats will be the same. Don't worry about it.

Besides, we always have the disclaimer saying we haven't proven it yet. Use that if you feel uncomfortable. And then, when we find out it IS wrong (which won't happen), you can always go change it.

[bellynn]

In my editing experience, anything which is "common knowledge" is free for use without citation. Stuff like standard things - xp, levels, things like that which are available pretty much anywhere. Most times, game companies even have that info available on their site and/or their forums stickied.

Thanks for making your own tables, that keeps it legit. Stealing doesn't happen until some actually use someone else's exact "ideas" such as how they formatted the table (and you copy/paste), their written text, or their coding - and NOT quoting/citing the reference.

[Hark]

Originally Posted by bellynn

Thanks for making your own tables, that keeps it legit.

lulz.

Not only did I make my own tables, but I made my own template for generating them on-the-fly. The fishing skill table, thus, becomes this:

{{Skill_Table
|Name=Fishing
|Image=Fishing.png
|NumStats=1
|Stat1=Stamina (Total)
|AP|1|1|2|1|2|2|3|5|5|8|10|15|20|25|30
|St|-|-|-|-|3|3|3|6|6|6|9 |9 |9 |12|15}}

Which makes life a lot easier for maintaining since the article is no longer cluttered with unmaintainable table code. And if we ever want to change how the tables are laid out, we can edit all the pages simultaneously by changing the templates (which were themselves generated by a quick python script xD).

Little sprinkles of black magic here and there never hurt anyone

Anyway, I'm currently going through and adding skill tables for all the skills (instead of writing this paper that's due tomorrow morning, lol).

[bellynn]

Yay, nice job on the template. I love templates. Oh, speaking of that...I saw your infobox and wanted to add stuff to Dilys...but I'm not quite sure how and don't wanna mess anything up if you're not done. Can u explain? Cuz right now, when click the "to finish this page" link it just tries to force me to make a new page called 'to finish this page'. TY

BAH, you can get that ol' paper done in half an hour right before you head out the door in the morning ::grin::

I also 'really like that it will keep the tables uniform across the wiki. I love neatness!! - couldn't manage to keep a small collection of magnets organized to save my life, tho...

[Hark]

Hurr, for the Template:Infobox_NPC I basically just took what was originally on Malcolm and pasted it directly into the template; those TODO's are in the template itself (propagated from Malcolm's page) and have to be edited and standardized there.

The reason I didn't bother changing it is because I wasn't sure what to do with it. Each NPC has a variable number of quests, which means you either have to pass in a table as the argument (messy), or branch the template like Template:Skill_Table into multiple templates (ie, Template:Skill_Table_1, Template:Skill_Table_2...) which is a real pain in the neck. There might be some way to do it using {{#for..}}, but this is the first time I've used a MediaWiki install which had those extra packages in there (or, perhaps they've become standard? I dunno).

tl;dr - there wasn't a concise way for me to do it so I left it for someone else to either implement or remove :P

EDIT: Also, I'd highly recommend reading Metawiki's Help:Template, because they're really bloody confusing xD

[bellynn]

There may be a better way we just haven't found yet

[Hark]

Haha, possibly!

If there is I hope someone finds it